记得Jenna接受美国某电视台采访时说这一季部分是关于“你世界里最重要的朋友换了一张脸时你该怎么办”,不仅对她,看着博士一次次重生的我们也是这样。
这是一个必经的过程。
虽然第一集剧本实在不算好,纠结Clara和男朋友的问题也实在是很乱遭,但也是帮深爱11任的whovians做一个过渡,当12叔说“You look at me, but you can't see me.”时,博士指出了问题的关键,就像两个博士那一集一样,人们习惯记住心里对他人固有的形象,付出感情,建立联系,当那个形象发生改变,一些人会告诉自己“不是他,这不是他”,但事实是,他关心你的那颗心和你一直喜爱他的那颗一样,从未变过。
对我而言,Matt永远是我最爱的博士,我很喜欢9任,10任,但直到matt, 我才真正的爱上了博士。
但是当皮卡叔第一次拉开Tardis的门,完全严肃的说“Shh,shh, I was being chased by a giant dinosaur, but I think I managed t give it the slip.”时,我知道我已经爱上了这一任博士。
很明显,这一季风格大变,博士的性情也是大转变,但当他说出“Those people down there, they're never small to me. Don't make assumption aboout how far I will go to protect them”时,我们都知道,他还是那个2000多岁,一直在守护着跟他本无关系的星球的那个博士。
最后一定要花痴的赞扬一下皮卡数的演技,之前我对这位“老一代的博士”也实在是担心,担心他过于深沉,但当叔用手势比划着要带恐龙回家,面对clara的拥抱无所适从时,必须的说,年龄什么的都不是事儿,对于一个活了几十个世纪的外星人来说,50多岁还是年轻的一代啊 一般般的剧本没有掩盖12叔的完美发挥,深沉与卖萌并进。
当你世界里最重要的朋友换了一张脸时,别忘了,他是Doctor Who。
在reddit回答过一次的问题,我觉得差不多算我对第八季的观感,贴过来记录下When I read comments defending Clara by calling her an “independent and strong woman with equal importance as the Doctor”, I feel like what these people are defending is theideaof Clara, not her actual execution on screen. The classic "tell with no show" writing style of Moffat sets the audience up with what Clara should be, can be, and wants to be. However, the actual episode-to-episode plot, dialogue, and dynamic with the Doctor sabotage Moffat's plan and turn the audience against Clara, because we do not find that intended connection or relation by watching the show ourselves. We are constantly forced by the writers to applaud for her independency or strong character, while all she does is manipulating, abusing, and lying. It's like the writers give Clara a giant label read as "GOOD", then do whatever they want with her because she carries that label with her everywhere and is hence excused from whatever problem she causes. As a companion, she is supposed to stand for humanity and morality, making the alien Doctor more sympathetic and kind. A character can totally do that while still having her own strong personality. A perfect example is Donna. Donna also disagrees with 10th constantly, but still can be gentle or firm in her own way to persuade and educate him. Clara does not have that likable quality to her, and most of the time her approach of choice is to slap, scold, or yell at the Doctor to get what she wants. What is more awful is that it works. The 12th Doctor tolerates her, even indulges her. No matter how problematic, selfish or stubborn Clara is, the Doctor does not clap back. He can be very cruel or indifferent in flashing moments when he faces the fragility of the human kind, but he is always vulnerable and compliant in front of Clara and all of her lies. I think people also dislike Clara for what she does to the Doctor, or what she fails to offer him. She does not make 12th a better Doctor or a better man. People claim that she is the Doctor's equal. While in fact Clara thinks she is above him. She makes him suffer and it is horrifying to see how much he seems to enjoy the suffering. I feel bad for 12th and Peter Capaldi because they deserve a better companion. They deserve a better friendship. And better writing.The relationship with Danny Pink is another example of "tell with no show". Clara quickly blurts out "because I love him!!" early in s8, when all we have seen from previous episodes so far are their unpleasant first date and awkward conversations at school. There is absolutely no chemistry between the actors and the dialogue is frustratingly bland. We are supposed to understand how much Clara loves this man who lacks personality and character. We are told to root for them by the writers who throw in a lot of "I love you"s throughout the season without showing how that love grows, flourishes, and matures. Again, the ideaof Clara finding a new love interest and having a life outside the Tardis is a good story arc, but fails tremendously for the way it is actually carried out. When you ask why people dislike Clara, they pull out receipts from various episodes in different seasons where her action, decision or exact lines show how annoying or un-enjoyable she is. When people defender her, the reasons are more likely to be "she's independent and strong", "she's a woman", "you don't like her because she's important". -- No, people dislike her because she is actuallynot likable. Not all of us can like a character for who she is supposed to be. Also, I personally dislike her because I see how much potential she has and how that potential gets wasted, episode by episode, till she is no longer recognizable. I do not hate her. I just feel disappointed with her. And the creator of her as well. Clara reminds me of all the flaws of Moffat's writing during his era. All of his incoherenceand the tendency to come up with a fantastic idea only to drag it for way too long till the sparkle dies. In a metaphorical sense, the vessel of Clara as a character is beautiful and promising, but there is nothing exciting or intriguing inside. I dislike her the most when I am actually watching the show. When I'm away from the screen, my memory blurs a bit and I find her less frustrating. Over time, theidea of her has gradually replaced what she is really like in my head. But I re-watched some episodes this week and then saw this thread. I realize that she never grew on me. I simply forgot her flaws because there were too many and thinking about them is very unpleasant.
我最搞不懂的一点是THE impossible girl为什么还会嫌弃刀客特的皱纹?
伊不是救了好几任刀客特嘛皮卡也不算最老最丑的好歹人家的手指也算是最美了好吗...还有作为companion连renew都只看字面意思她的意思是重生之后的刀客特必须更帅更年轻最好是个含个奶嘴的娃? 虽然我真的不喜欢clara但让她直接附身脑残の颜控实在是放弃治疗啊这集硬梗太多什么round啊amy啊accent啊可是不知道各位有没有发现那个半机器人就是S7最后一集whisper的领导啊,,为什么要活到现在为什么要找到promised land难道还是trenzalore吗(说到这个这个paradise还真的挺小的...之前看到过唯一剧透就是最后一段打电话的片场,原本以为是他们买菜吵架什么的后来看到小11出来窝也忍不住哭粗来是真的,小11你不能这样你不是科幻剧吗科幻剧怎么可以让心不在焉的法海患者掉眼泪TAT说起这个啊我无边际的脑洞又在告诉窝胡博士简直是英剧里唯一正三观的剧了里面的人不劈腿不早恋不离婚下属不坑老板老板不虐待员工这才是正宗the promised land啊.......
救命为什么这季评分这么低啊啊啊我好喜欢…用了三集的时候来接受12,现在真的好喜欢12、、小老头好帅…这季的故事总体上对我胃口(跳了两集IMDb六点几分的没看),尤其最后两集,对味儿埋了一季天堂女人的伏笔最后居然是法师、、没有想象中的复杂但是也有被惊到(这季在网盘看的,完全没有被剧透,恨之前在弹幕路透的人、、不然之前看到river song的身份揭晓肯定也很爽、)以及吐槽一点,魔法特你是真不会塑造人物,博士你倒是会写,克拉拉也好,之前的艾米也好,写得都很扁平化,艾米罗伊好歹写了个千年百夫长+青梅竹马撑住了,但是这一季的克拉拉和她男朋友的感情线写了个寂寞、、这俩人怎么爱上的怎么就感情这么深了,写得不清不楚的,导致最后两集看得都有点莫名其妙的在e11克拉拉威胁博士的那一刻我是真的有点讨厌她了…博士不欠你什么吧…啊啊啊另外说一句,,克拉拉的演员演技似乎也差点意思,,瞪着个大眼睛但是传递不出情感来,她的悲伤、她的纠结、她的愤怒、她的各种情绪我都几乎只能从台词中获取,那张脸有点木然e12的结尾没告诉博士真相倒是有点出乎意料,and博士真的会回家?
在太空里打开塔迪斯门的时候我咋没看到伽里弗雷()
Steven Moffat请放过Doctor Who,勇敢承认自己与Russell T Davies在掌控全季剧上的差距,让Doctor Who回归沉睡,等待下个时代能够重启它的巨匠。
你现在这样写下去,我一点没有被感动到,借尸还Cyberman的点子很好,向老版中的UNIT致敬也好,同样的敌人Master,可就是没有第三季季终时的对Doctor的关怀和感动,这是一个活过千年的阅尽时空的老人,不是teenage的drama girl,他这一次又一次失去了整个宇宙中唯一的族人,孤独是他无法摆脱的宿命,可第八季的结束就是缺少了那一份人文关怀的气息,对比想想第三季的结束
以下不过是笔者看过评论之后的一些吐槽,没什么干货,姑且写之,读者也姑且看之,如有天方夜谭之感,付之一笑即可。
自魔法特接手DW,吃饭睡觉婊魔法特似乎就成了DWer的某种日常,而对魔法特最大的诟病就是煽情有余而逻辑不足。
额,好吧,反正也不止天朝在婊,英国人也在婊,婊的内容也不算空穴来风,那就婊吧,婊婊更健康。
可是居然有人拿RTD来说魔法特是个渣?
首先我要申明我本人也是个RTD粉,可是亲,你们什么时候产生了RTD很有逻辑的错觉,他不是整天都在玩命定论么?
(DW还算好,火炬木有些地方的剧情硬伤更是莫名其妙)进一步说,你们什么产生了DW是硬科幻的错觉?
老版倒是挺硬,可不照样一堆设定坑?
于是笔者不由得想起以前看到过的一个命题:科幻迷和推理小说迷中尤其容易出现自大狂。
可怜的魔法特,科幻和推理两个都沾了。
好吧,软科幻可是科幻,也得讲逻辑,至少得装作讲逻辑的样子,在这一点上魔法特的不足显而易见,无从辩护(S6和S7笔者也基本上是打着哈欠看完的,尤其是飞行的鱼那个圣诞特别篇(连名字都没记住))。
但是当魔法特将RTD留下的Time War的弥天大坑填完(最终审判日,博士之夜,博士之时),当他让11th只身一人在Trenzalore孤军奋战900年,当他搬出13个博士高喊Gallifrey stands,当他把RTD治下博士的孤独和对Daleks的愤怒深化为博士心中根深蒂固的黑暗面时(You are a good Dalek,Yes,Sir,Armies for those people who think they are right S8一整季都在诛博士的心 ),谁有资格说魔法特只是个渣渣?
于是笔者不由得又想起MS初登场时,一群人吐槽MS的马脸和疯癫的演技,然后到了11th退场,又是一群人舍不得。
笔者一直对这两群人的重合度充满好奇。
当魔法特离任时,会不会又有一群人怀念魔法特时代的DW呢?
我现在接受amy季中跑路了,可能是发现魔法特实在专业技能不过硬,如果不跑,现在骂的可能就是她😢。
我不知道为什么,编剧好喜欢写那种“clara机警地看着周围环境”的这种动作描写,说真的,没有营造出一点悬疑的氛围,拍出来反而觉得过于傻x,当背景声效没有把氛围烘托出来的时候,靠人瞪大个眼睛转转头,演技还不怎么样,然后再转转摄像机,真的,很莫名其妙,至少对观众来说!
“The thing about Clara is she thinks the show is called Clara. She really does. She has no idea she’s number two in the credits, which is why we did that joke in “Death in Heaven.” She’s got a high opinion of herself, not in a conceited way, but in a correct way. She knows she’s extremely clever and capable, and she doesn’t feel like she particularly fits in the world that she lives in. She’s a bit more like the Doctor in the first place. She’s not really very good at living a normal life. The other companions, like most people, like you and me, can be quite good at living normal lives. I’m very happy living my normal life, I’m sure you are too. Going to the shops seems fine for an adventure, but Clara’s not like that.When I first wrote Clara, I thought, “Oh, this is fun. If the Doctor were a young woman living in contemporary Britain, it’d be a bit like her.” Clever and presentable and funny but also thinking when is something interesting going to happen? The interesting thing between the Doctor and Clara is she can sort of play the same game he does. She can absolutely do that, she’s terribly clever, she’s got a wayward ego.I think for the first time, the Doctor’s traveling with someone who’s a bit of a loony like him, and that’s quite fun.” - Steven MoffatHonestly, what a wonderful story arc. Right from the very beginning, Clara was just meant to become more and more like the Doctor. In many ways, like the unusual cleverness, kindness, and sense of wonder and adventure, she already was. I tried to show with this video that no matter how much they love each other, and in my opinion, 'in love' with each other, obviously the Doctor and Clara will eventually clash, because they both feel like they need to be the one in charge, they just need to be in control of the situation. This 'egomaniac needy game player' sort of thing.Then again we also have the Doctor teaching her how to do things like to keep calm during hard situations, like flying the TARDIS, etc. When she's alone, she hears the Doctor's words inside her head. In those moments she really is 'The Magician's Apprentice'!They still love each other so much though and after a while, after they get so many wins, Clara just starts to feel like she can do whatever the hell she likes, because her and the Doctor somehow 'always fix it'. There comes a time when they can't, and how Clara reacts is utterly heart breaking. 'Why can't I be like you?''Be a little proud of me.'She can't be like him, because she is not immortal like him. She doesn't have the luxury to get away from death multiple times: that's why I put the 11th Doctor's regeneration pose before Clara's death pose: She does the exact same regeneration pose like all the Doctors, arms wide open and stretched, but something is different: She doesn't explode with a magical yellow light. She just falls on the ground.cr.JCF Productions
(Never trust a hug,it's just a way to hide your face.)喔我那满满控制欲又擅长忽悠的clara,你的特质又是向谁学习的呢,挂刘海的某一瞬间差点以为看到了赫敏,这季采用了新片头(虽然大差不差,还是有些陌生),从之前的13集改为12集,关键线索是The Promised Land(突然想起来coco,不知道她会不会也在那里呢。
),少了点奇幻多了些科技混合恐怖,熟悉的人物再现(小十一、蜥蜴女等),脑洞依然无限(尤其是电话亭变小那段),有些场景还是比较唯美的:比如绿意盎然的花园、充满自然形态的树世纪(令人思索大自然一直在保护我们,但我们都在做些什么,比如木质家具,你所谓的爱木质就是去砍伐它们吗,就是用它拿来写作业吗。
)、唯美彷如净化过的天空(月球孵化)、粉粉蓝蓝的天空(木乃伊)、华丽的内景(银行劫案),最后的谜:第10集最后那名女演员是谁演的呀,气质太美啦。
看完第八季后真是彻底爱上了12和clara,毕竟看dw就是一个不断适应和爱上新Dr.的过程,虽然这次适应12叔用了比以往都长的时间,不过博士从来没有让我失望。
作为一个坚定的whovian,尽管有几集感觉很糟糕,但还是必然五星啊。
总体来看这季不如前面几季,剧情很松散,却并不完全是单元剧的感觉,有精彩的集数,也有从科学、情节、人物关系等很多方面来说都略烂的集数。
clara和pink、dr.的微妙关系有时让人很抓狂,难以忍受(pink这样的人确实招人烦),但是这也给这部剧带来了新风格,这让第八季与前七季很不一样。
魔法特在最后两集终于放了大招,对于这样刷新三观的颠覆情节…我表示很讚赏,虽然很多人不喜欢大魔王,不过我觉得他是个真正敢想的编剧,一部50年的老剧难道不需要这种带来改变的人吗?
【突然发现好像所有的编剧都喜欢欺负master啊】
好差的一季,剧情臭又长,对白和配乐都是故弄玄虚的垃圾
再优秀的演员也敌不过脑子进水的编剧加玛丽苏花瓶搭档,心疼皮卡叔
为什么我总感觉12的性格没有11的好…最后几集为什么要这么写克拉拉,这也太烦人了,这拖剧情和制造矛盾的手法就很无语啊。说克拉拉是控制狂之前我一直没这种感觉,之后反而好像喜欢往这个方向写了。虚无中的生物那一集,所以出现在床上的东西到底是什么,怎么可能什么都没有呢?不懂…之前我一直以为Master会回归,没想到回归的这么晚。结果Missy就想给博士一支赛博人军队这个想法,和之前10与Martha大战Master联动集比起来也太怪了。Missy真的看着没什么感情就是游玩人间的感觉,何苦心里还惦记着博士
开学到期末,一晃就一整季啊。。一直闹心的Clara和Pink终于走了,再怎么黑最后还是有点舍不得(才没有)。。Missy很棒啊最后彩蛋还有Nick Frost。。那个眼镜小妞是谁啊?期待下一季女伴
新博士的骚包服装,真的很像某种打开翅膀颜色不同的昆虫。扣掉一星clara,扣掉一星煞笔魔法特
烂科幻😅
魔法特模仿rtd最成功的一季,不得不说他是真爱赛博人,打雷一季出现一次打个酱油,赛博人包作为主线的(看完新新版S1有感:想你了牢赛),合理怀疑赛博人是编剧的童年阴影。比前两季都要好,唯一阻止我打五星的原因还真是因为Clara,感觉她的一切不满都始于博士变成了老登(哪怕11打了跨时空电话也放不下偏见)但那种喜欢又不喜欢的感觉让我觉得她是最有趣的同伴。老登和Missy(Missy像隔壁艾琳没写过瘾创造出的产物)真是魔法特时期最有cp感的一对(这下宿敌真变成妻子了)结局虐死,为什么要骗对方自己过得很好啊!苦情剧吗!甚至比S4结局更伤感一点点!还有tm岳父岳母是不是也变赛博人了?!
完全看在皮卡叔的份上才没给一星。克拉拉?连让我骂的价值都没有。
第一季开始追,最差的一届,改名字好么,改成she is doctor,女主戏份大过天
对魔法特的滥情完全无感,三星打得也嫌多~这一季除了喜欢皮卡叔,其他怎么看怎么烦,连master都好没存在感哦!
糟糕透顶!掀桌!人物塑造情感关系各种突兀各种OOC。白瞎了皮卡叔和萌Missy
越到后面越讨厌Clara,doctor好可怜
8,9最佳,但总体真是有一种诡异的微妙和同人感【。】。。你们是官方啊!!是官方啊!!!最后两集看的我竟无语凝噎。。。。。【当然皮卡叔还是萌,克拉拉和pink真是无力吐槽。。总体一种编剧聊人生感
季终集呵呵呵呵只能说Dalek girl和Cyberman boy果然是一对绝配哦呵呵呵呵呵。这季真的只有805和809好看。皮卡叔和Missy太棒,魔法特狗男女负分滚
一时无法适应,且结局烂了
S8,东方列车上的木乃伊/维度陷落,这一任博士最像博士,神经质的优雅
当初是谁说莫胖甜不会拆cp来的?站出来我们聊聊,保证不打死你……Clara真心是新版最惨女伴了好么?为了博士死了三回,好不容易找个真爱还被这么拆……女汉纸Donna都比她好太多好么!还有法师你到底肿么了?重生女人直接走言情剧线路,莫胖这算不算性别歧视啊摔!
看完我都不想骂魔法特了,对你还有期待是我的错。这一季没有主线,只是为了引出Master,Clara一直在不高兴一直在控制狂,神烦她。请魔法特放过DW,回去写你的神夏搅基好吗…8、9集最佳。其他的都是雷声大雨点小。要不是因为12叔,真想弃了这剧。Clara演技不错,但是还是走吧
啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊
我只想掐死克拉拉,魔法特快滚